For something like 40,000 miles now I have been thinking about buying a new car. Every now and then I think that my next car ought to be a hybrid. Usually though I remember that at the moment there really aren't any hybrid pickup trucks and the idea goes away.
For the next model year there will be a hybrid SUV. There is a version of the Ford Escape that will be offered as a hybrid. I heard someone talking about this on the radio tonight ("The Allegheny Front" went to the Pittsburgh Auto Show) and so my ears perked up. Mostly it seemed like they were explaining why you might not want to buy a hybrid now.
They were awfully excited to point out that the new Accord hybrid only manages 7 MPG better than the straight gasoline model. The guy they were talking to on the show floor didn't think that might be worth the investment and wondered rhetorically how many miles you would have to drive to make up the $4000 price difference. Making some estimates about mileage I came up with a figure:
225,500 miles.
So you are going to have to own your hybrid for quite some time. Which lead to the next question. The new Prius has six batteries, each about the size of a loaf of bread. This lead one show vistor to start thinking about maintenance costs. The Toyota rep explained that it wasn't really a problem because the batteries were warranted to 8 years or 100,000 miles.
But what is you had to drive, say, 225,500 miles?
Turns out that outside the period of the coverage each battery currently costs $7,000 to replace. I don't know what this thing lists for, but if it has $42,000 worth of batteries in it, I probably can't afford it.
The rep was quick to point out that that was the current price, and that by the time the 8 years were up the cost would have certainly come down.
Anyone remember what they told us about CDs when they came out at $15/disk?
So this thing you are going to have to drive right into your grave is also going to cost you a few bucks. Still, it will use less gas overall and is probably better for the environment (if you don't think about where all those dead batteries are going to wind up). Maybe there should be some help, some incentive to buy a hybrid?
It turns out that there is an incentive. You can get a $2,000 tax deduction for buying a clean running vehicle. However, you have to hurry, because in a way I am sure makes sense to them, congress has cut off that deduction as of the end of 2005 - although it does exist in 2006 as a $500 write off. Somehow I don't think they are taking the hybrid idea too seriously in Washington.
All of this made me come up with what I believe is a sure fire business opportunity. I am going to start selling little plastic signs and little vinyl graphics that say "Hybrid." People I think will jump at the chance to have all that social cashe without having to part with all of their own cash.
Wednesday, February 23, 2005
Hybrid Hysteria
Posted by David at 8:21 PM
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Also, just an fyi, Toyota will be coming out with a hybrid pickup either this upcoming year or the year following. The uncertainty at the moment is because they are trying to make the towing capacity the equivalent of a standard gas pickup, without it costing an arm and a leg to us by forcing the batteries into early retirement.
And yes, I have been following this for about 3 years now;)
Oh, and first post on the site. I feel like I have reached new heights.
Ian
First, you should check the difference in gas mileage between the two models it doesn't sound right. However it all depends on what mileage they’re talking about. Keep in mind that with a hybrid, if you do a lot of stop and go driving you'll actually get better mileage than if you just get on the highway and cruise. It’s common for a hybrid to get better mileage in the city than on the highway. Since the tests that are used to estimate mileage are so out of date they’re not setup to accurately estimate a hybrids mileage. It would make more sense if the actually filled the car up and drove it till empty but that's not what they do. So while a hybrid might not make sense for you if you do a lot of highway miles it is most definitely an advantage to people who sit in any amount of stop and go traffic or traffic that averages less than 20-30 mph (or whatever speed the gas motor kicks in at).
if your concern is the overall welfare of the environment, buying a hybrid won't necesarily affect this enough - much of the overall pollution caused by cars comes during the before & after periods. Weathering peak oil, on the other hand, a hybrid makes more sense... although it's still not that great. In Brasil, they have commonly available cars that can run on either ethanol or gas... in the same tank. In this country? biodeisel is the real answer. You're handy enough to effect the conversion - might even find it fun.
R.
"R," now you're talking! It's what we plan to do when we buy our next vehicle -- either start making biodiesel for it or make the standard modification so the truck can run on straight used vegetable oil. We're still unsure about what option to choose, but we know we want to cut the cord when it comes to our dependence on gasoline.
DB thanks for a great post leading to great conversation.
Hi Peg!
you might want to check out the guy mentioned in this article - he might be willing to give you some advice.
biodiesel articleR(achel).
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